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Guess who I saw today??

by quellycatface in

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as i was walking into the churchyard, the cobe and his wife drove past me.. i sincerely hope they saw me.!!!

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Mom is coming over tomorrow. What should I ask?

by Faithful Witness in

my mother is visiting us again tomorrow, only 5 weeks since her last visit.

things seem to be going pretty well with her, and the kids are enjoying having grandma back in our routine.

she is retiring at the end of may (age 65), so she promises that this is going to mean more time with family.

Faithful Witness

This is a long post... but here is a recap of issues my mom brought up during her short visit today.

My mom came at lunchtime, and stayed way past bedtime. She likes to spend the night, but had promised my dad she would be back last night. Today, they are cleaning the KH, and she tries not to miss those weeks. From her comments, I get the impression that she doesn't go most other Saturdays. She actually makes plans with her family (her brother or her sister).

I think my mom has a LOT she really wants to talk about, but it was hard to talk seriously, as the kids were really craving her attention too.

Things did not go as expected. I think she has a lot on her mind, and clearly wanted to talk about it. She seems pretty conflicted within herself. I'm not sure how to help her, without looking like an antagonist.

Within 30 minutes of arriving, she asked me, "Have the Witnesses been back again?" I told her about Miss K and how we had talked about the slave for 3 hours, and that they had never answered my question. She made the comment, "maybe this will be a better fit for you, than your last teacher...?" I didn't correct her, but did say that it was a better fit, if Miss K is going to be willing to answer my questions about the organization.

I made some errors, when I started telling her about what happened with Mr. Talkalot. She wants me to give her the date of an article we had questioned. She seems to think she can find it in the library at the KH. I will have to look it up, but it was a magazine, whose cover had a big headline about 1975.

She already "knew all about" 1975. I hadn't prepared for this one, and forgot where the warning about the false prophet appeared in the scriptures. I just made the comment that anyone claiming to speak for God, makes a prophecy that does not come true, they have revealed themselves as a false prophet. You should not follow them or fear them. I quickly changed the subject (seed planted). If anyone knows which article or magazine I am talking about, I would appreciate the help. She wants to see it.

She told me about the propaganda video that they had seen, promoting the upcoming International Convention in Detroit, MI. She said they had gone and videotaped the venue (Ford Fieldhouse), and had done their best to cast the plans for the event in a positive light. She said, "After the video was over, I just thought to myself... that just looked like a bunch of hype." The society continues to badger and coerce them, telling them they really NEED to be at this convention, whether they like Detroit or not. She expressed her own concerns about safety at this event.

My parents and sister already have their hotel booked, and they seem to be most stressed now about parking. My brother in law is an MS (new development), and says that the local congregations are trying to stake claims for the better parking structures. She was talking about how much trouble the society had gone through, to book an event for 40-45,000 people!!

She expressed concern, that they were going to be handing out invitations to the "general public" for this event. I think she is worried that someone from the world is going to come and attack them. "Who knows what could happen? They could say, OH! Here is a big group of 45,000 JW's..." I interjected with "Or LESS!!! hahaha" She laughed.

My sister went to Detroit recently, with the intention of "checking out" the area... big mistake. I think they are also now concerned. Detroit is not somewhere I would like to visit as a weekend tourist.

I think the most revealing things she said, were about her own inner conflicts. When we were alone in the car for a brief time, she started talking about something she has not mentioned before. She said, "Everyone really should know that we are Jehovah's Witnesses." I didn't know what she meant, so I waited silently for her to continue her thought. She told me about a person she works with, who did not realize she was a JW. He mentioned Christmas, and then another of her coworkers started whispering to him about JW's and holidays. She was not sure whether to be offended that they were talking about her beliefs, or ashamed that she had not been spreading the TRUTH at work, and everywhere she goes.

She went on to talk about my dad, and how he "puts on a big show at the KH. I guess we all do, really..." but then he expressed concern about my mom's brother's upcoming visit. My uncle came over last Saturday, and my dad was saying he should stay home and not go out in service. My mom reassured him that she was able to entertain her brother until he got home (and would prefer it that way). He then asked her, "Does he even know we are JW's??" and he was worried and possibly embarrassed. He didn't want to arrive home, wearing a business suit, on a Saturday afternoon, and make his brother in law wonder what was going on... She looked at me and said, "Isn't that WEIRD???" I let her repeat herself a couple of times, while she rolled that idea around in her head, and I tried to think of how to respond.

"Sort of weird, but I can understand it. It sounds like he is conflicted within himself. His natural personality is battling with his new personality. He didn't become a JW, until his mid-60's, and now he is being told he has to have a new personality. He sounds confused."

My mom interjected with "Yeah! Raised as a Baptist!"

I was glad that she had brought up my dad. He has really lost his way in life. She sees the hypocrisy, since she lives with him and knows that he hasn't changed his ways as much as he presents himself to the JW's. She can see that his JW persona is fake and forced. She feels the same way about herself, but we were able to talk about it more freely, when it was about him. Later, I did ask her if she thought he was getting senile. haha.

My other niece is having a choir recital this Tuesday. My sister won't be coming, since the concert will be inside a church. I asked Mom if she and Dad were coming. She said they were. She said, "I'm not as strict about some of the things that others are." I asked what was wrong about going into a church for an event, and she said, "You know, it's false religion. We are told to keep out, not go into Babylon." I asked her, "Do you believe that?" She said, "No." I asked what was going to happen if they stepped into a church building. "Is it the building?" I challenged her a little on this one, and dropped it.

She ended up staying much later than she had planned (as usual... she never wants to leave!) :) As we were standing around talking before she left, I wanted to be sure she was going to stay awake for her drive home. An opportunity arose to say something that has been bothering me for about 3 years.

Me: "Are you going to stay awake for the drive home?"

Mom: "Don't worry, I always stay up late."

Me: "But you're not out driving around in the dark!"

Mom: "How do you know??" :) joke yay

Me: "Well, you're not out driving on unfamiliar country roads..."

Mom: "Maybe I am..." another joke

Me: "Not by our house! If you're driving past our house, I would hope you'd at least stop in and say hello!"

Mom: blank

My 7-year old daughter, who was listening: blank, open-mouth stare, although subtle... she knew what I was saying

Explanation: My parents live about 65 miles away, but their assembly hall happens to be 5 miles from my house. Our road is the direct route to the Holt Ass Hall. They don't miss assemblies, but we never see them. We make comments like, "I wonder if they hold their breath while they drive past our property." She has postponed visits to see us, because she "forgot" that this week was the assembly.

My mom did not have a reply to that remark, but reassured us that she would stay awake all the way home.

Based on many of the topics that came up during this visit, I feel like it would be a good time to arrange some time when I can be alone with my mom for awhile. She has a lot on her mind, and I would love to hear what she is thinking, and give her an outlet to express her doubts and questions.

She mentioned that their good friends had been transferred to a different KH, and they don't see them anymore. I asked her, "So, who do you hang out with?" She said she didn't. I asked her a couple of times if she had any "buddies" at the KH. She said, "not really." She used to hold her friends and relationships in high regard, so I'm wondering if she will think about how it used to be.

I am going to try to be more of a friend to her. I have to figure out the logistics, and how to get time with her, without ignoring the kids. She seemed to really want to talk, more than play with the kids this time. She is stressed.

I do want to ask her about the program for the international convention, and to look over the topics with her.

I didn't end up talking about the Baptist church asking us to fill out pledge slips. I did tell her that we were doing "home church" with friends who agreed that there was no church who taught the truth.

Sorry this was so long... but maybe someone can relate to something. Any ideas of things I can say to help her through this, and possibly move her in a direction away from the control the WTS has over her life, would be appreciated.

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Wow! I saw my sister last night, and she came as her old self!!

by Faithful Witness in

i went to watch my niece's orchestra recital last night.

i knew my parents were coming, and was pleasantly surprised to see my jw sister and niece were there also.

i don't think my family realized (nor did i) that this was a christian homeschool music program.

Faithful Witness

I saw my mom yesterday, and asked her if she had told my sister that I was studying again. After reading the comments here, I did wonder if they were putting on their conditional love, because they thought I "might be coming back."

My mom denied that she had said anything to my sister. She always acts like she doesn't talk about me to my other sisters... although I'm not sure what to believe sometimes.

I'm going to give my sister the benefit of the doubt, and just appreciate the moments that we had at the recital. Joking around with her, made it a lot more fun to sit through 2 hours of beginning orchestra music. ;)

My temptation is to SEIZE the moment, and try to reach out and pull my sister closer... but I am going to lay low, as I have been. I don't want her to think I am trying to attack her again... haha. Maybe this summer will give us a chance to reconnect with the kids at a neutral place.

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Mom is coming over tomorrow. What should I ask?

by Faithful Witness in

my mother is visiting us again tomorrow, only 5 weeks since her last visit.

things seem to be going pretty well with her, and the kids are enjoying having grandma back in our routine.

she is retiring at the end of may (age 65), so she promises that this is going to mean more time with family.

Faithful Witness

My mother is visiting us again tomorrow, only 5 weeks since her last visit. Things seem to be going pretty well with her, and the kids are enjoying having Grandma back in our routine. She is retiring at the end of May (age 65), so she promises that this is going to mean more time with family.

As I continue to reconnect with her, we are enjoying creating new memories. The focus of her visits, are to have quality time with the kids.

She invariably brings up some JW topic or question, and she will probably ask me about my new BS that just started. Since my elderette, Miss K, was scheduled to come tomorrow, that will be postponed again. (bummer!) Mom may also have magazines for me.

I am considering mentioning to her that we have stopped attending the neighborhood Baptist church. It was not for this reason, but I was thnking of mentioning that one thing that bothered us about their practices, was the way they passed out pledge slips and asked us to commit to a set monthly donation. This did actually happen, as it did at the bigger Baptist church we attended for the 2 years prior to our leaving there. It seems that the bigger the church, the more they beg for money.

Since I'm pretty sure she has not heard anything like this coming down from the GB at her KH yet, where they will be asking members to make commitments for monthly monetary donations, I'm hoping it will just plant a seed. When she hears how these churches are so boldly asking for money (constantly), she might protest (or just think to herself) how the JW's are different in that way. I won't start a debate, but make it more of an offhanded comment. I might quote scripture along with is, as I share with her our continued quest in finding truth.

As we continue to heal our relationship and rebuild bonds with my family, I don't want to be antagonistic. If she asks me about my BS sessions with Miss K, I will probably mention to her that they are raising more questions, than answers for me. I know that my real questions are way too hard for my mom to handle.

Instead of grabbing any opportunity to criticize the JW's, I plan to focus on how much fun I had talking with my sister the other night, and mocking and heckling the adults in the kids' music production. Family bonds are like nothing else, and it was so refreshing to be with my sister, without her judge and ruler along (her husband, who hates kid's stage productions... and I think he really just hates kids, except to be used as unpaid slave labor.. No, I don't have any bitterness toward him! Hahaha).

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Hey....where's my invitiation ???

by exwhyzee in

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i was in my company truck again today, pulled over to the side of the road in a neighborhood, doing some measuring and looking for some survey markers.. a group of jw's were working their way down the street toward me.

the 2 middle aged ladies were smartly dressed, one had brightly colored highly styled auburn hair and was wearing large noticeable jewlry.

the brother was late 50's hispanic also smartly dressed in a black top coat and seemed like he might be elder material.

Faithful Witness

What country do you live in? I haven't seen a man wearing a top hat, outside of a costume party. ;)

Intriguing story, and interesting that he was trying to get some information for his case while out in service. Thanks for sharing.

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Authority in the Witnesses

by Band on the Run in

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now that pastor russell is persona non grata, i was wondering how this movement ever started.

i always find it surprising that educated people refuse to read the bible.

they will just follow someone.

Faithful Witness

He had a large forehead, and that means you're really smart! ;)

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Wow! I saw my sister last night, and she came as her old self!!

by Faithful Witness in

i went to watch my niece's orchestra recital last night.

i knew my parents were coming, and was pleasantly surprised to see my jw sister and niece were there also.

i don't think my family realized (nor did i) that this was a christian homeschool music program.

Faithful Witness

I would have loved to have been a fly in THAT car on the way home: Grandpa is totally brainwashed, Grandma doesn't know what to do, Mom has never had a mind of her own, and the niece who really just misses her cousins, and has to be so confused...

I wonder what they said about me! haha... AND about the show itself. It was an orchestra concert, and the program had the title "Praise Him with Strings!" Next week, my other niece in the same family will be in a choir concert inside a (gasp) church... so obviously they won't go to THAT!

As far as I know, my sister doesn't take her kids to any church, and never talks about religion with me. There were no religious songs. They played classical & familiar pieces and some show/movie tunes. It was completely secular, except for the opening prayer. I saw my sister turning to my niece beforehand, but I was afraid I'd get busted peeking, if I opened my eyes to see if they were... not my business.

It was nice to be out with just "our" family. The absence of my brother in law, and the fact that we were in a public place, acting like a family again... it was a real treasured moment. It was nice to feel connected again, even just for an evening.

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Wow! I saw my sister last night, and she came as her old self!!

by Faithful Witness in

i went to watch my niece's orchestra recital last night.

i knew my parents were coming, and was pleasantly surprised to see my jw sister and niece were there also.

i don't think my family realized (nor did i) that this was a christian homeschool music program.

Faithful Witness

I went to watch my niece's orchestra recital last night. I knew my parents were coming, and was pleasantly surprised to see my JW sister and niece were there also. I don't think my family realized (nor did I) that this was a Christian homeschool music program.

I promptly hugged my niece and sister. I was relieved that she acknowledged me and treated me kindly. I made sure to sit next to her, and we joked around during the concert. I got a chance to talk to my niece also, and she told me about an in-school club that she belongs to. It was encouraging, and everything went pretty well.

There were a couple of awkward moments (like the opening prayer), but it was really nice to see my baby sister. There was no JW talk, and I got 3 bear hugs from my dad, telling me he loved me. I'm not sure if Mom passed on the message that I am "studying" again, or if my sister decided to be kind on her own, but I'm just happy to see her again.

Of course, my brother in law was not there... that was a relief. My sister could be herself, with her family, without his judging and controlling eye.

My mom says she is coming over on Friday.

I know they still belong to a cult, and will probably turn on me again... but I am basking in the moment right now, that they all spoke to me.

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Is it Mormon campaign season?

by Faithful Witness in

i am seeing a lot of young mormon men out lately, in their ties and nametags.

is it a certain time of year that they go out?

just curious if anyone knows..

Faithful Witness

When we were studying, I mentioned to our teacher that the Mormons also went door to door. I have been visited at my home before. The JW told me that they do, but only at certain times of the year.

The Mormons I saw weren't particularly handsome, but they were easily identifiable in their crisp white shirts and name tags. It's interesting to see them out in the stores and at the library, with their badges on. They are so obvious... and the most obvious words on their cult name tags is JESUS CHRIST.

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Is it Mormon campaign season?

by Faithful Witness in

i am seeing a lot of young mormon men out lately, in their ties and nametags.

is it a certain time of year that they go out?

just curious if anyone knows..

Faithful Witness

I am seeing a lot of young Mormon men out lately, in their ties and nametags. Is it a certain time of year that they go out? Just curious if anyone knows.